Podcaster Joe Rogan spoke on Wednesday about the decline of the American and British military, insisting that “woke” politics are compromising combat preparedness.
Rogan spoke to his guests, standup comedian Francis Foster and political commentator Konstantin Kisin about how far-left ideology has a destabilizing effect on numerous aspects of modern society.
After Konstantin recalled that the U.S. Army is having difficulty finding physically healthy recruits, Rogan noted the American military has internal problems in that it has “kinda gone woke,” later joking “inclusion is really important when you’re killing folks.”
“This is the thing we’ve been talking about, right man?” Kisin said. “Can we just focus on what works? I want the Army to be good at killing the enemy, I don’t give a f— about how diverse they are.”
“Imagine if the UFC had to have diversity,” Rogan joked, referring to the American mixed martial arts promotion company Ultimate Fighting Championship. “Do you know what a problem that would be, if we had to have a certain amount of trans folks?”
“There’s going to be a bunch of people to get murdered. They’re gonna get thrown in with the real ones, there’s gonna be a certain percentage of people that are just there because they’re awesome, then a certain percentage of people that they have to hire in order to meet these DEI standards.”
Foster brought the focus back to the military, recalling a British military scandal where the Royal Air Force (RAF) had been told to stop hiring “useless male White pilots.”
In a leaked email seen by The Telegraph, Squadron Leader Andrew Harwin wrote,
“I don’t really need to see loads of useless white male pilots, let’s get as focused as possible, I am more than happy to reduce boarding if needed to have a balanced BAME/female/male board.”
An RAF source reportedly told The Telegraph that this email “clearly demonstrates the endemic culture that was created by the senior leadership to chase ridiculous diversity statistics that were patently unachievable.”
“What a good idea,” Rogan joked sarcastically. “Definitely don’t hire the people that are the best at it, whether they’re White or Black or Asian. No, just don’t hire White ones.”
After noting a report that a govt inquiry concluded this discrimination was unlawful, Rogan declared,
“Dude, you want the best. Whoever the f— they are, whether they are White or South American or Indian, you want the best. No one cares. You want people who fly the planes the best, only the best, it’s a war plane!”
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RAF ‘illegally discriminated’ against white male recruits in diversity drive
What People are Saying
(From the comment section on the article)
“The Navy of my day was anything but inclusive and equitable. We were exclusive and elite, and we could ruin your day! Our mission was not our top priority, it was our only priority.”
“Yep…the USAF of my day (and wasn’t that long ago), discriminated, promoted those who were best and ran out those who couldn’t cut it…”
“As a retired 23 Army veteran I can say with certainty that the US military is no longer a superior fighting force and even our equipment is no longer superior to that of our enemies. While our military worries about proper use of pronouns our enemies train for war. Our military has been deteriorating since Obama took office and it has not recovered, but rather steadily declined ever since!”
“My son inlaw had 8 years in, and refused to reup. ‘Too Woke’ is all he says about it. His Dad did several tours in Nam, and fully retired a warrant officer. So everyone thought he would retire too. Nobody wants to play the woke game but wokesters.”
“Americans gain strength through Unity. Unity is the OPPOSITE of diversity.”
“I was the Equal Opportunity Adviser for an Army installation in 2009. We got a new mission statement. It was called “Blueprint for the Nation”. It was sold as “what the military does, the nation will follow”. We removed all references to “unity”and replaced them with “diversity.” We also were forbidden from saying “melting pot” and replaced it with “salad bowl”. Now here we are. A nation divided. No unity. No national identity. This plan for our collapse and civil war has been long in the making. I don’t believe there is a path forward for bringing back what our forefathers knew. Very sad.”
” When it comes to the military, diversity the way it is defined today, is not a welcomed trait because it doesn’t help the mission of the military. I served from 1986-2016 and I never had to attend a DEI class. We were more concerned about our enemies TTP’s, not so much today.”
“The military is NOT supposed to be about “diversity”. It is supposed to be about being totally combat ready to prevail in any situation. You don’t care what color or party the person who has your six is, as long as they are competent and helps you accomplish the mission. Unfortunately it has become MORE important that the person has a different color, or likes to do different things with their bits and pieces that being combat ready.”
“Teams don’t celebrate diversity. They promote unity. That’s the difference. Everyone one color. Everyone one team.”
“As a 23 year Army Veteran my mission was to kill people and break things! Sure, there were plenty of minor missions, and plenty of support troops with sub missions. It truly breaks my heart to now observe, from the very top down, more concern for pronouns than protecting our country!”
“those who speak so loudly of tolerance , aren’t tolerant of a difference of opinion. those who so loudly of inclusion. can’t seem to include those with whom they disagree. those who speak so loudly of diversity can’t seem to tolerate diversity of thought.”
“The DOD is the ultimate arena for “Merit Based” advancement. I have 40 years in uniform and Zero confidence in the Biden administration’s ability to lead America in conflict evidenced by the massive failure of our Afghan withdrawal. The Department of Defense is currently run by uniformed politicians, vice real warriors. Vote for leaders who develop teams and demonstrate positive results for. This administration is an insult to our warriors who in my experience judge other warriors by ability, merit, and proven results; nothing else.”
“Diversity is condoned racism and discrimination plain and simple. Diversity is evil and threatens the lives of our troops, it forces our military members to be racist and to discriminate. it needs to be stopped.”
“Having been exposed to Ft. Benning in the late 1950s I can attest that it was inclusive….you do your job and you are included. Not up to standards…you are NOT included.”
“As a 21-year army veteran and some of that in combat I can tell you that our troops today are nowhere near ready. they need to get away from wokism and dei and concentrate on lethality. when we trained in the late seventies and early ’80s, we trained to take out our adversaries and keep them away from any intrusion on our Constitution and Bill of rights. now the upper echelon are out to destroy our Constitution and Bill of rights. we need to get back to the basics and forget about all of this hand holding and giving hugs.”
“Retired military. Actively discouraged my three boys from serving. When woke politics, diversity, and inclusion top being properly prepared to fight and win people are going to die.”
“And then we wonder why the military has recruitment problems. It’s not because a bunch of bigots don’t want to serve alongside people different than them. It’s because a bunch of people don’t want to serve alongside others who aren’t the best qualified because their lives may literally depend on it.”
“Only thing I cared about was whether or not I could depend on the person next to me to do their job with no questions. Don’t really care what race or gender they are or how they like to have sex. I would have a problem being in the field with a critter that “chooses” to be another gender. What else will it choose to be or not to be at the moment of truth?”
“I served 22 years in the Army. I’m very proud of my service to this country but there’s NO WAY I’d serve in today’s military. As a female soldier I had much to overcome and hardship beyond belief but I’d rather go through all that over again than serve in today’s Army. We all bled green and served as a unit. Now they have to worry if people feel safe and included?!? I wouldn’t serve for every penny on earth under this Command, and would probably rather go AWOL than serve under Joe Bidumb as my Commander in Chief. Our military is a sad shadow of itself.”
“Spot On Joe. Let the woke Army fail. My children will not get my approval to join.”
“Milley and the rest of the leaders have destroyed our own military. The main pool we have always recruited from has been the children of veterans. Now, I don’t know a single veteran suggesting that their kids join. But the leaders want to blame the recruiting crisis on the lack of diversity. Picture being in the infantry and then looking at your roommate who just decided to start to transition now never being able to deploy, having a new MOS that they don’t go to the field to train and you see the military spending tens of thousands on their medical care. But you will be spending next week in a cold front, with rain, training. Watch how fast they tell the re-enlistment officer “NO” when it comes time to make the decision to stay or get out.”
“Being an Army brat, having 2 aunts serve in WW2, and having a brother that was lifer in Air Force with his son following in his footsteps, it disturbs me that I no longer have the affinity and admiration for our military. To me, they are now just another facet of the culture war we are fighting and I used to think they would be there should we ever have to face a tyrannical government.. Now, not so much.”
“The “woke” ideology has a narcissistic core. It’s a victimhood ideology, which is not conducive to a successful military structure.”
“And the military wonders why they are missing recruiting goals so badly. My son will be the first male in our family not to serve his generation going back to the founding of our country. With Dementia Joe and DEI initiatives, I am actively encouraging him not to. How sad!”
“The military always has been inclusive and respectful. We don’t need to push that. What we need to push is excellence, whatever the color of their skin.”
“Joe Rohan in my opinion is 1000% correct, this coming from a combat and Military veteran of 24 years. I completely understand that every Military generation goes through changes, however, this having to accept “Wokeness,” diversity, equity, transgenders and LBGTQ+ is NOT preparing anyone for leadership in leading troops in defeating the enemy!”
“Yep I served 22 years in the USAF; I am ashamed of what the military has become.”
“Diversity is a strength? Ask anyone in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, that army spoke 14 different languages.”
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